Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. Most modern revolvers chambered for .38 SPL are rated to +P, so there is room for error, but care must still be taken. The big medicine was delivered by a 1911, but S&W K frames (favorites were Models 12 & 64) took care of everything else. 01-10-2014, 06:49 PM #4. dverna. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. It'll look funky, but it will shoot. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. Winchester's website has data for W231 and a 125 gr LRNFP, but not plated. . Wife handled it with no problem, those 5 Super Vel had been in the gun probably over 5 years by then, she bought it to CARRY, not to shoot, if she needed to fire it to save her life it would be fine. The average street punk today has more firepower than the Russian Army did in WWII and trying to re-load a revolver in a fire fight is the best way to commit suicide that I could ever think of. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. . The Lyman is handy for sizing or priming while youre watching a movie. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. 4.0 gr. I thought about trying 2.5 gr. Also, too light loads don't allow the bullet to seal the gases causing problems. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. 4.2 gr. What I learned after 50 years of shooting and reloading 38spl cases some where around 100 thousands rounds. Dont know where #1 Buckshot can be found, but the Speer shot cups and UNIQUE powder currently easy enough to find. Read my very long thread about "DR loads that don't suck". Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. That one Ill keep. I'm seating to what's in my loading manual. 9mm 125 grain RN Lead Hard Cast Bullet. Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. It is always higher when powder is next to primer. I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. A revolver shooting .38 SPL only requires the power of your finger to make it fire and can thus be loaded with ammo that is extremely mild or hotter than hot. There really is a recently developed technology that prevents leading, while eliminating messy lubricants. I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. The .38 ammo is more common to find than the .44 ammo, so that is a big reason to reload the .44. Modern .38 spl std HP load is more than enough, dont over think it. I was hoping I could use this combo to make use of available components. I dunno. Regulator, SBSS #2255, Pawnee Station, Ro I & II. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. Ive saved all my .38 brass over the last couple of years for whenever I find time to get into reloading. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. So, I'm guessing the pressure curve isn't as severe as some of the faster burners. Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. I was just trying to get a general consensus of what other guys were using. The 4.0 grain load is relatively mild recoil and was accurate. I get 1000 fps with this load. I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. Especially if you reload. Nitpicking is its own reward., I believe the correct spelling is loathe . Bullseye is primarily associated with .38 and .45after all, it says right on the bottle: Great for .38 Special and .45 Auto target loads. But it is equally at home in high-velocity auto loads. 7, No. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. head I use 3.2gr. My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. Compac for my little finger to wrap around under the butt. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. Display as a link instead, Going up to 3.9 Gr for +P. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. I went from 2.7to 4.0 gr and nothing to speak of. All right are Reserved Reload Ammo, Reloading The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), hi=849 lo=728 ES=122 (powder up and down), hi=821 lo=684 ES=137 (powder up and down), hi=815 lo=637 ES=178 (powder in normal positions), hi=714 lo=549 ES=165 (powder up and down), hi=758 lo=693 ES=65 (powder up and down)(DO NOT USE LESS), Hi=886, Lo=861, ES=25 (This is a Carolina Cast bullet SWC-great cowboy load), hi=859 lo=743 ES=116 *(my personal medium load), hi=875 lo=685 ES=190.2(powder up and down), hi=710 lo=497 ES=213 (powder up and down), hi=791 lo=625 ES=166 (Powder up and down), hi=785 lo=670 ES=115 (powder up and down), hi=801, low=766 ES=35.32 in Contender 14 bbl. My J frame S&Ws are all older models, and came with the small grips that are still on some models. Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. 6.) Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. Zero 158 grain swaged SWC, Starline brass, Winchester or Federal primer, 2.8 grains of Bullseye, roll crimp. Best and most realistic article about the .38 special ive found. What are YOU shooting? Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck.. Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. Most double end wad cutters are 148 grain, and DR bullets must be 158 grain. Upload or insert images from URL. Content . I have found that some powder coated bullets which are the same weight as lead, feel quite punchy out of the gun. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. accuracy. Unlike the author, I did *not* keep records, I cant even imagine how many rounds I loaded, almost 100% .357 magnum, since that was all I shot. There is one good reason to use WST. Ive also switched from lead to Berrys Preferred copper plated bullets. Ethan Johns is a military professional with worldwide experience in specialized units. Yes, I had no issues with the 38 SPL, but the 32 is just more FUN- especially when I get seven shots of it in a revolver the size of J frame! Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. So if you find a "lead" load it is also a plated load. Your previous content has been restored. Both have fed 100% in a variety of pistols and have shot very well. Go figure. You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. Bullet seating depth is very forgiving. I prefer the slower burning Unique, and I also use it for .357 magnum, just more of it. JHP, 125 gr. The bullets are seated flush in the case. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. 3.8 gr. Use data for weight. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. butt 686 shipped w/ Hogue monogrips, discarded immediately due to pronounced finger grooves. I have tried several different grips before finding the one that worked for me. Click there and go to the load data lookup section . Would you like to react to this message? Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. Very versatile cartridge. I use 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye or AA#2 with 158 gr. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. Biggest problem I had was the lubricating cases for sizing and then cleaning them afterwards, I guess grit was somehow scratching the cases after getting stuck in the lube. 125: 125: 130: 135: 140: 140: 146: 148: 158: 158: 158: 170 _____ Quick Links Home Load Data Bullet Points: BE SURE TO CHECK OUT & FOLLOW MY INSTAGRAM FEED CONNECT WITH THE 1895GUNNER.COM COMMUNITY . The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. What I have found most remarkable is how well some pistols that typically fling wide groups have clustered the semiwadcutters. All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. Red Dot work fine for most 38 Special loads. Good shootin! I dont see much conversation on these specifics but I think Its all about the size of the explosion in the chamber. 125 gr plated or 125 gr lead RN. I may have to rethink my plan. Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? The instructors worked magic in many cases, but having a load like this to gradually work shooters onto full-strength loads would have been a great tool. Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 looks like today. No sh!t. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions. My usual 38 Spl load is a 125 gr plated bullet over 5 grains of bullseye. September 2015 S.W.A.T. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. These loads are for my wife's revolver. (Or so I have heard.). Ive tried full metal jacket and the Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) match hollow point in this load, and both ranged from good to great in my nines. 2.) want me to write up an article about 3d printed .38 special bullets that Ive been working? They all shot horrible at 25 yards. Pasted as rich text. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate The quality of the loads equals a bargain. I bought a Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull last year ahead of a hunt up in Wyoming. Loath and Loathe are different words that mean different things. 7.8 gr Blue Dot 1,170 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 7.0 gr Pressure: 15,700 4.5 gr Bullseye 1,085 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr Pressure: 14,900 Start conservative if you wish. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. Agree 100% since I reload and shoot it since years, lost count. When I finally took the plunge and started handloading (FIRST SHOTS WITH HANDLOADING: How Hard Can It Be? Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 9 customer ratings. Thats not quite how that works. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. So . Notify me of follow-up comments by email. My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. From my Hornady Third Edition manual 38 Special 158 Grain Lead Round Nose #3586 Win 231 3.0 Grains 650 FPS 4.4 Grains 850 FPS Now I will tell you from experience you do NOT want to load Lead Bullets Fast. SWC+GC, Is it more bulky? Would .44 Special be somewhat similar to .38, in terms of ease of reloading, case life, etc.? Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. Maybe its just my age, but I may never shoot a 38 again after discovering the 32. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting : The Firing Line Forums > The Skunkworks > Handloading, Reloading, and . Not as easy to find brass these days as it is not the most popular round anymore. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. My Hornady 11th edition shows this for 38 Special 158 gr lead RN, LSWCHP and LSWC. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. Hi. What sort of wildlife are you thinking would be a good application for this self-defense load? Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. I once had to quote the South Carolina Supreme Court when they had spelled it loathe., Regards, But still nothing under 3.5". in a belt holster at 4:00. 158 gr. Therefore, the conventional wisdom is that they must be loaded to a lower velocity. Oh, I practice with it. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. Anyone know where I can download a chart where all the powders burning rates (regardless of manufacturer) is listed. I checked out Alliant's website-no data for flat point with the powders I have, but data for Gold Dot HPs for Bullseye and Unique. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. Starting being near 3gr - ish. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. Now theres an old memory. As anyone learns quickly, first thing that needs to be done is to replace the small factory S&W grips (I use Hogue) so you can hold onto the gun. However, after consulting my several different manuals, 3.5 seems to be a border line max load. You may end up with one "not" clearing the barrel. Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. Good job on you! (Patrick Sweeney photo) September 15, 2021 By Michelle Hamilton, Field Editor. Thinking of using it in NRA Action pistol or PPC. YMMV. I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. Discussion: Bullseye is a faster burning powder and some people feel better suited for the .38 special.
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